Guest blogger Shawn Reilly: Shouting ‘fire’ vs. opening fire, the constitutional case for greater gun control

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By Shawn Reilly

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution states, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

There are disagreements about the limitations of the Second Amendment as to whether it is absolute.

It’s important to note that no right is absolute, not even those guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

Take for instance the Right to Free Speech.

This right is limited and restricted in many ways. A clear example of why the Right to Free Speech is restricted can be found in the Imminent Danger Rule: A person cannot stand in a crowded movie theater and scream fire or bomb if there is not one, because the panic and injury it will cause to those in the movie theater.

As a country, we have agreed this is a valid limitation of the right to free speech because the right to free speech clashes with the people in the movie theater’s right not to be trampled.

The same analysis can be applied to the Second Amendment. If the right to own and carry a gun interferes with the public safety, that right can be abridged, in order to protect public safety.

Many court decisions have limited the right to keep and bear arms, such as the Stevens v. U.S. case in 1971 at the United State Court of Appeals.

The court indicated that the clause in the Second Amendment about “a well regulated militia” does not mean the average citizen is part of that militia.

The court is quoted as saying, “Since the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms applies only to the right of the state to maintain a militia, and not to the individual’s rights to bear arms, there can be no serious claim to any expressed constitutional right of an individual to possess a firearm.”

A similar ruling from the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has held that “Construing the language of the Second Amendment according to its plain meaning, it seems clear that the right to bear arms is inextricably connected to the preservation of a militia. We conclude that the right to keep and bear handguns is not guaranteed by the Second Amendment.”

With today’s movie theater massacre restarting the gun control debate in this country, it’s important to take a step back from the hard-line positions of the past and ask ourselves: Do we want to live in a country where 14,159 human lives were taken in 2010 alone?

Or can we accept reasonable limitations on guns that keep military weapons out of the hands of illegal immigrants, terrorists and and accused mass murder such as James Holmes, who allegedly wore body armor, used an assault rifle, a shotgun and a Glock handgun to kill at least 12 people and injured 71 people?

Let’s give people the right not to have someone open fire on them in a movie theater just as they have the right not to be trampled.

 About Shawn Reilly: Shawn Reilly is co-founder of Say No To Bridge Tolls.

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  • Stephen Coomes

    I’ve always thought just the same about the constitution: arms are for a militia, a means of defending our country, our cities and communities in times of invasion.

    Guns for hunting? Works for me. A gun to protect one’s home? Not for me, but I’m OK with it if that’s where the gun stays. Walking around armed because you have a concealed carry permit? How in hell is that constitutional? Automatic rifles with multi-bullet clips? No use whatsoever outside of the military. No constitutional support for that at all.

    I wasn’t even aware of the 1971 ruling mentioned above. If that’s the case, then why are we still working over this tired argument?

    It’s gone too far, people, something has to be done–should have been done long ago.

  • Seldomever

    We have a war on drugs. How is that working? People who want drugs will get them. People who wants guns will get them. In Europe people have been shot in countries with even stricter gun control. And people have been knifed to death in countries with gun control. And will we ban fertilizer, so no one can build a bomb? Our problem is a lax approach to mental illness. We’ve turned our public libraries into mental wards. 

  • Shawn Reilly

    Thanks for the opportunity to start a dialog about gun control. So many
    people are too scared of the NRA and gun industry that this debate never
    takes place. I hope we can have an open and honest debate about this
    issue.

  • Shawn Reilly

    Statistics: Murders with firearms (most recent) by country

    # 1            South Africa:    31,918 
    # 2            Colombia:          21,898 
    # 3            Thailand:            20,032 
    # 4            United States:                 9,369    
    # 5            Philippines:       7,708                                    
    # 39          United Kingdom:            14          
    #39           Denmark:          14          
    # 41          Ireland:              12          
    # 42          New Zealand: 10          
    # 43          Chile:                  9              
    # 44          Cyprus:               4             
    # 45          Morocco:           1             
    # 46          Oman:                0             
    # 46          Luxembourg:   0             
    # 46          Iceland:              0

  • Shawn Reilly

      Statistics: Murders with firearms (most recent) by country

    # 1            South Africa:    31,918  
    # 2            Colombia:          21,898   
    # 3            Thailand:            20,032   
    # 4            United States:                 9,369     
    # 5            Philippines:       7,708                                     
    # 39          United Kingdom:            14           
    #39           Denmark:          14           
    # 41          Ireland:              12           
    # 42          New Zealand:  10           
    # 43          Chile:                  9               
    # 44          Cyprus:               4              
    # 45          Morocco:           1              
    # 46          Oman:                0              
    # 46          Luxembourg:   0              
    # 46          Iceland:              0 

  • Msradell

    Quoting your last paragraph: “Or can we accept reasonable limitations on guns that keep military weapons out of the hands of illegal immigrants, terrorist and and accused mass murder such as James Holmes, who allegedly wore body armor, used an assault rifle, a shotgun and a Glock handgun to kill at least 12 people and injured 71 people?” The alleged perpetrator in this case didn’t fit any of your people who you felt should be restricted than having weapons. Instead he was a perfect citizen and every way. While I certainly agree that felons, illegals, etc. shouldn’t be able to obtain weapons of any type, regular citizens should not have their rights restricted. It may be an old cliche but the saying ” if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns” is certainly true.

     
    Just think what would’ve happened if the British had prohibited American citizens from having firearms. The American uprising who gave us our freedom would never have happened! To think that prohibiting certain weapons would help anything is very naive. Yes, today’s shooter had a military type weapon and a couple of pistols. He also had a 12 gauge shotgun which is one of the most widely used guns for hunting and sport shooting. If he could have obtained the other weapons he would have just used a couple of those in the results of what about the same!
     
    We don’t need gun control and a recent surveys show that the number of Americans wanting it has declined significantly!

  • objectivecommentary

    This opinion piece is a bunch of tripe. Its “arguments” have already been legally rejected many times over and most importantly by the SCOTUS in the recent Heller case. Being for gun control as a concept is an opinion to which the author is entitled. Arguing for restrictions that have already been rejected — and arguing for interpretations of the Bill of Rights that have likewise been rejected — is inexcusable journalism and not worthy of an article. Failing to even mention that your positions have already been rejected borders on the delusional; and then using the commentary to continue advocating your opinions makes you look less credible.

    I understand that the author just pulled these pre-Heller talking points from a gun control website (probably the Brady site) but he comes across as one of those zealots who continue to argue that there were no such things as dinosaurs because they aren’t mentioned in the Bible. Once something has been established, continuing to argue the opposite is a poor excuse for an opinon, and is especially poor journalism.

    I could just as easily advocate that poorly contructed opinions and the posting of incorrect information should not be protected by the First Amendment — and I could make a very compelling arugment in this regard. But the SCOTUS has consistently ruled that the press has the right to be incompetent as long as there is no malice involved. So this article is just as safe as the gun rights against which it argues.

  • beverly glascock

    I thought I was with the writer until I read his closing line: “Let’s give people the right not to have someone open fire on them in a movie theater just as they have the right not to be trampled.”  This appears to follow the same argument Rep. Louie Gohmert from Texas, made after the deadly movie theater shooting in
    Colorado on Friday. Gohmert speculated that if more people in the theater had been 
    carrying guns, the shooter may have been stopped more quickly – a nonsensical approach to the scourge of gun violence in our country.     

  • beverly glascock

    Why are we still working over this tired argument?  Because of the Supreme Court’s landmark decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) – which the writer of this article failed to mention. Because gun control advocates have largely lost the argument against
    the NRA. Because Congress has not approved any major new gun laws since 1994.  Because a ban on
    certain semiautomatic rifles expired in 2004.  Because some states have loosened gun laws
    to allow gun owners to carry concealed weapons or adopted “Stand Your Ground”
    self-defense laws.  And because politicians know the issue is toxic with
    voters and this is an election year.   

  • Shawn Reilly

    On Heller the court’s decision did not prohibit many existing federal limitations
    to gun ownership, including limitations for convicted felons and the
    mentally ill, or limitations preventing the possession of firearms in
    schools and government buildings.  Therefore it’s still constitutional for the Federal Government and states to impose sensible limitations on guns, types of guns and ammo. 

  • dan kreutzer

    thank you Shawn. Yes, let us not forget that those who peacefully assembled (guranteed by the Constitution as well) had a right  to be safe from harm. For the rabid Amendment 2 people, what about the rights of those who were excersing their freedom to assemble?

    Alas, I fear, once again, lots of moaning, and handwringing. but not enough have died to garner a national change in policy.  Even the death of 14000 people lat year–all across the country–does not move the human heart to action.

  • beverly glascock

    “Sensible limitations”?  Are you serious?  Colorado’s idea of  ”sensible limitations” basically means a background check.  And other states’ ”sensible limitations” means a person can own a gun as long as they have  never been hospitalized for a mental illness and have no criminal history.  These “sensible limitations” didn’t work here, just as they didn’t work in the Gabby Giffords shootings, the Columbine shootings, the Virginia Tech shootings, and so on. Until we get serious about gun control, these types of tragedies will continue to occur.  
            

  • Gary bow

    Objectivecommentry,

    Very well stated. Couldn’t agree more. The admedment is very clear.  The state has the right maintain a armed militia and individuals have the right to bare arms. Of course that makes people to face the fact that guns don’t kill people. People kill people.

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